Does Mormonism Pass “The Test”?

A commenter on this blog recently gave me the following set of questions as a “test” I could use to escape deception. I thought it might be interesting to see how the LDS Church performs on this test.

(1) Does it claim to have a special revelation that ignores the clear teaching of the Bible?

The LDS Church does claim to receive special revelation, but does not ignore the clear teaching of the Bible, so it appears Mormonism easily passes this first question.

(2) Does it lift up the Lord Jesus Christ or itself?

The entire purpose of the LDS Church is to bring souls to Christ. “Jesus Christ” is part of the name of the Church and the focus of everything the LDS Church stands for. Without Christ there would be no reason for the LDS Church to exist, so it appears the Church also passes this question.

(3) Do you feel like worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ or the person giving the prophecy?

The LDS Church teaches that we should only worship God and Jesus Christ. There is absolutely no room for worship of anyone or anything else. A lot of people say Mormons worship Joseph Smith, but this simply isn’t true, so the LDS Church also passes this question.

(4) Does it call upon sinners to repent of their sins or just give them an emotional experience?

Oh boy, does the LDS Church call upon sinners to repent. I’d say the Church has one of the most extensive “repentance systems” around. It’s woven into every part of the Church and the gospel teachings. Emotional experiences are also part of what members of the Church may receive, but that certainly isn’t the intent or purpose of the Church. So there’s another question the Church gets right.

(5) Does it inspire you to preach the Biblical doctrine of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ? If it preaches a works salvation, it is not from God.

The LDS Church believes that we are saved only in and through the atonement or sacrifice of Jesus Christ. We could perform works all day long, but without Christ those works would get us absolutely nowhere. We would be in the same bad spot as though we did nothing at all. Zing! Another one down.

(6) Does it unite or segregate the body of Christ, the church? God is not the author of confusion. If it scatters the sheep, it is of the devil.

The LDS Church builds around 350 new church buildings each year. Despite that growth, no matter where you go in the world you’ll find that one church congregation functions exactly like any other. A Church member from Los Angeles, California can go to Hong Kong, Russia, or Brazil and immediately feel at home and like they fit in. Everything is orderly, organized, and clear. So there’s very little confusion, the sheep are gathered rather than scattered, and the members are definitely united. Winning.

(7) Do people who follow their prophecy become more like the Lord Jesus Christ, or more like the world, the flesh and the devil? Christians are like the Lord Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible as expressed in the four Gospels.

As stated above, the entire purpose of the LDS Church is to bring souls to Christ. Of course no Church member is perfect, and many of us have grave faults, but we’re trying and inasmuch as people follow the teachings of the LDS Church then yes, they certainly do become more Christlike.

And so the LDS Church passes this test with flying colors. Have any questions you’d like to add to the test?

Comments

  1. In another direction I went to see this page. Josh you sure like twisting all I said to exalt a Con Man Smith. It all looks good at face value but you forgot to say that Mormon Jesus2 is man made by Smith. A counterfeit. You use the same names but the meanings are different. Jesus is not Satans brother and God is not flesh as your God2 and Jesus2 is. This God2 and Jesus2 don't exist. Smith made his own version to get to the girls. Lust was his ultimate goal, not the real God or Jesus. Smith appealed to the flesh not the spirit else he would of recognized God as Spirit instead of flesh.

    (1) You might use the Bible but allowing Smith to OK it 1st with what he says makes the Bible less important. So Mormon does ignore the clear teaching of the Bible. Think about God is Spirit.

    (2) Mormonism does lift itself up by using the word restoration. This places Mormons Smith in high position over the Holy Bible. Smith loved girls and top position. He appeals to Mormons to stay on top.

    (3) To worship God is in Spirit and in truth. Smith says God is flesh and lives on a planet and once He was man that was exalted to Godhood. God is Spirit, God is flesh. Who will you follow? Gods Word or a Con Man. You sir teamed up with a Con Man that God is flesh and denied God is Spirit.

    (4) You might be there for sinners to repent but again what hope have they with a Jesus2 that is not the Jesus of the Bible?

    (5) Josh you seem to forget In the book of Nephi reads, "We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do." After all we can do 1st is works folks. Very Deceptive!

    (6) LDS is a false Church and does indeed pester folks in Christianity to fall in Smiths bed of deceptions. This false church is the very one that the true Bibical Jesus warned us would be here to deceive the very elect and scatter (stealing His sheep) His sheep.

    (7) If you think you are Christlike then why release Barrabas Smith and hear him but not fully the true Jesus?

    And so the LDS Church fails this test with Smith in the darkness. In the end, True Jesus Wins. Be ready and really check out the Con-Man… Amen …

  2. Well Jimm, I have to admit I'm surprised. I really thought you'd become a Mormon after I showed how the LDS Church passes all your questions with flying colors :)

  3. Jesus already captured my heart and I hear His voice and follow, another I can not. For Jesus renewed my heart with a flying start that is more that flying colors. Mormon artist has painted pictures of Smith with lying colors setting beside plates with his face deciphering when the truth is he hid his lying face in a hat of darkness. Deception like this is fruit from the nut planted in a hat.

  4. Josh, you sure made this page the hardest to find. I think soon you will delete it.

    Folks, no matter what you say to Mormons they seem to not really care about nothing but this strange Spirit of Smith that has harden their hearts. Evidence galore from witnesses that speaks truth about Smith's uncare for life does not matter in the heart of a Mormon. Evidence galore that towns, people and battles Smith claimed as real are no where to be found upon the face of the earth. When Smith stomps on a part of Gods word then Mormon's walk around that truth of Gods Word. Smith has Lied, Cheated, and stolen. Had sex with who-so-ever, destroyed and killed. All of this and Mormons don't care. I study Cults to see why Mormon folks don't snap out of this trance. Jim Koresh in Waco had folks in a trance to not come out of this Cult and they were killed for this nut. Waco = We Aren't Coming Out… Koresh took so much and people followed him to Hell. Whats makes people do this that they care not to hear truth but a Con Man they will hear him only?

    A few Mormons will find the truth and when truth sets them free they are free indeed but most are too far gone to care nothing but spending their lives to stay with a Con Man to advance in Hell. Satan is alive and well and I blame him for its stronghold in the heart of a Mormon. But even with this, Mormons say, Big Deal, I don't care for I will stay with Smith. Crazy and frustrating when fish is hooked on a line thats for Sucker fish. Don't let them pull you down folks. Be hooked on the True Jesus is a far better Way to go than to be a sucker for Smith.

    Be washed white but not white washed.

    Jesus is everlasting peace… Smith is Everlusting Piece. Big difference!!! Jimm

  5. Jimm, it's linked from the homepage of this website, just like every other post starts out, so I'm not sure how I could make it any easier to find.

    As for the rest, you're getting a little too crazy for me, Jimm.

  6. Crazy? crazy is Smith and crazy to believe a single word yet you swallow it hook, line and stinker. Your life is so twisted on Smith till all you can give is Crazy. So use your crazy word to preach against the True Jesus. I rather be crazy for Christ than crazy for Smith anyday.

    Thanks for your honesty what you think of Christians being crazy without Smith and I hope you appreaciate my honesty that Mormons without the True Jesus Jesus is not too smart… Jimm

  7. Sorry (appreciate)

    Thanks again for your honesty what you think of Christians being crazy without Smith and I hope you appreaciate my honesty that Mormons with Smith is not too smart… Jimm

  8. This Josh has come and gone folks. I feel better that I have spoke up to him that God allowed than not to say nothing at all. I felt that knowing this was a Cult's place that God would of held me accountable if I said nothing against it. I have done my part to let folks see the inside dirt of Smiths hat that with this planted nut grew to a blooming idiot. If one hears to depart from this Pot of LDS and all its stickers then all was worth the reach.

    I have no fear to stand up against false teachings. If Smith didn't come till today then all the cheap girls on the internet would of paid him dearly for porn shots for money leaving Mormons unheard of. I honor all that has shot this Smith and sorry for those that he wasn't shot earlier. Read the History of Smith and don't let these bullies scare you that you will lose membership, family or Heaven in doing so. If you don't have the true Jesus then you lost everything already and thats the time to be concerned.

    I been here with Josh for a long time and look, I'm OK. Psssst, I know a secret… Smith is DEAD and can't hurt a fly. Jesus is not among the dead but the living. Mormons work to exalt a Con Man to Saint but all their exaltation for the dead is hopeless. They pray for the dead but the dead cannot hear. Then they call us crazy who prays for our enemys as God instructs us to do.

    Mormonism is a lie, a cheat, a Con, a thief, a sneak, a crook. a trader, a deceiver, a blind guide, and no friend to no-one with their falsehood and will run like Josh when exposed. Satan and Mormons hates Christianity along with their God and Jesus and pushing to destroy all to be replaced by Mormon counterfeits. They will deny this but their converting fruit is straight from a nut in the hat.

    I have said my part and will now depart and I hope many will choose to depart this false church LDS… Byeee

  9. Wow, You really seem to think that Joseph Smith is the Anti-Christ. I think you may need to take a closer look at Mormon history and realize that much of what you say is untrue. I've read the history, both the good and the bad, because I myself was away from the church for a time. The truth is that much of the very worst things are unverifiable in some cases, and justifiable in others. Yes, Joseph Smith had a six shooter in Carthage and fired three rounds, after someone shot and killed his brother, and while he was fighting for his life. There are other things that are not great about Joseph Smith, but none of them are bad enough to make me lose my faith in the Book of Mormon or the church.

    What is interesting about the Book of Mormon that many anti-mormons like to ignore is the fact that it only backs up what the Bible says. Even your quote from the BoM is a different way of saying things that are in the Bible. Faith needs to have works to back it up, and the Bible states that plainly more than once, and yet people think that we Mormons are so evil because we think that works are a part of faith. I personally don't know any Mormons who think that they will get to Heaven by works alone. It takes faith and works, not one or the other "Faith without works is dead." I forget the exact chapter and verse right now and I'm too lazy to look it up, but this is what the Mormons believe. There are other verses in the Bible that say the same thing. Even Revelations states that we will be judged by our works.

    I also don't know where the idea came from that we worship Joseph Smith or anyone other than Jesus Christ and God the Father. I suppose you could say that it's a different Christ than you worship since you think that Christ is just giving you a free pass into Heaven simply by saying that you believe in Him. We don't believe it's a free pass. We believe that we have to show our love for Christ through our actions.

  10. Joshua, in your answer to – Does it lift up the Lord Jesus Christ or itself? you say – "The entire purpose of the LDS Church is to bring souls to Christ. “Jesus Christ” is part of the name of the Church and the focus of everything the LDS Church stands for. Without Christ there would be no reason for the LDS Church to exist, so it appears the Church also passes this question."
    Allow me to raise a few points in this discussion pertinent to the Lord Jesus Christ and LDS teaching.
    Joseph Fielding Smith said, "They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19). Brigham Young also said, "Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51).
    According to Brigham Young, Jesus' conception was the result of natural (physical) action, (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 8, p. 115). According to Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51; (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 19; Jesus was not begotten by the Holy Ghost" . According to Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218, "The Father came Himself …instead of letting any other man do it," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, 1857, p. 218). According to Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115, Jesus' birth was the result of natural action. Bruce McKonkie believed that "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers," (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547). Then we have 'Mormon Doctrine' (p742) stating that "There is nothing figurative about his [Jesus’] paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events".
    Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus. As I understand it, baby girls are born virgins, and unless they have sexual intercourse they remain virgins. Mary was a virgin and she conceived as a virgin and gave birth as a virgin in the strict sense of the word. Isaiah prophesied that a virgin would conceive, and bring forth a son and call His name Immanuel (Isa. 7:14).
    Three events related to her virginity, conception, birthing and naming; and is clearly meant when the "virgin" shall conceive, and she the " virgin shall bring forth, and the she the "virgin" shall name Him. This is repeated by Matthew (1:21-23). Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus the Christ.
    Right from the start of the life of the Lord Jesus Christ, it 'appears' that there is a major conflict between mormon teaching of Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible's plain teaching. The Bible does not say nor does it infer that God the Father or the Holy Spirit had sexual activity with Mary. The Bible repeatedly states that so and so 'knew' so and so, e.g. as in Adam knew his wife, and Joseph knew not Mary until she bore her First born. God declared her to be a virgin and to be still a virgin until Joseph lawfully knew her after Jesus' birth.
    The Greek word episkiazo translated as overshadow in Luke 1;35 means to cast a 'shade upon' – envelope in a haze of brilliancy, to invest with preternatural or supernatural (not normal) influence. The same word is used to describe Peter's shadow falling on the sick in Acts 5:15. When his shadow came on the sick (normal shadows do nothing), God chose to work His supernatural power at that precise moment. Jesus' conception was not by normal means. The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary. Jesus was begotten of the Father by supernatural means. Don't miss it Joshua and co. Are we talking about the same Jesus? Not on this evidence. It was not as your spiritual fathers have said. Cast aside the traditions of men who were ignorant. They now know the truth of it all. They now confess that they were wrong and wish that somebody would tell you.
    If the foundation of "everything the LDS Chuirch stands for" to use your own words is wrong, then she cannot stand at the end when the real shaking comes, though she appears to prosper now. God has said a number of times that He will shake everything that can be shaken so that those things that cannot be shaken will remain (Heb. 12:27) He who has ears to hear, hear it loud and clear.

  11. Hi Ian, this topic has been extensively debated on the post Do Mormons Believe God Had Sex With Mary? I would recommend you read that post and the comments and add anything you see fit if you feel something hasn't been adequately discussed or answered there.

  12. ":3) Do you feel like worshiping the Lord Jesus Christ or the person giving the prophecy?

    The LDS Church teaches that we should only worship God and Jesus Christ. There is absolutely no room for worship of anyone or anything else. A lot of people say Mormons worship Joseph Smith, but this simply isn’t true, so the LDS Church also passes this question."

    But doesn't the Mormon church teach that they can become gods and that their spirit children will then worship them when they become gods?

    But even if there is such a thing as spirit children, then they would be required to worship God and no one else.

    Exodus 34:14

    14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

    • Everyone is required to worship the god who has given them life. That is my understanding. There is no conflict between this belief and the Bible.

  13. Joshua said, "The LDS Church teaches that we should only worship God and Jesus Christ. There is absolutely no room for worship of anyone or anything else. A lot of people say Mormons worship Joseph Smith, but this simply isn’t true, so the LDS Church also passes this question.”

    Joshua also said, "Everyone is required to worship the god who has given them life. That is my understanding. There is no conflict between this belief and the Bible."

    Exactly, as the only true God is the one who gives life to anyone who has ever lived or to anyone else who will ever live is the only God everyone is to worship.

    There is nothing in the Bible that says anyone else ever is to be worshipped on the other hand, again, I will show where it says we are only to worship the one true God.

    Exodus 34:14

    14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

    Joshua, if you do believe that spirit children will worship Mormons who become gods, show me using the Bible alone that this is so that anyone else, besides God, can be worshipped.

    Frankly, I don't think you can do so without the various Mormon scriptures and the teachings of Mormon leaders, past and present, as what is taught by the LDS Church is different than what is taught in the Bible.

  14. Add on to my last post, Joshua, please don't use the stock Mormon answer that it is matter of interepretation but show me specifically how the Bible allows the worship of anyone else but God, thanks.

  15. The Bible doesn't allow the worship of anyone else but God, but the Bible doesn't apply to anyone other than those to whom the Bible is given. Where does the Bible state that the commandments contained in it apply to the spirit children from gods other than our God? Where does the Bible state that its teachings are equally applicable even to God's children on other planets? The Bible is a specific set of teachings given to a particular people in a particular place. One cannot make the blanket assumption that it would apply anyone other than those to whom it has been given since the Bible nowhere makes such a claim. It is silent on the matter because it is a book limited in scope to the doings of this world and no other.

  16. Joshua, God is not just the god of this world but the god of all creation, this world, all planets, and all universes, if there are other universes, as well.

    The Bible shows that the god of this world is Satan the father of all lies.

    2 Corinthians 4:4

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    • Where does the Bible say that God would be the god of other universes?

  17. Joshua, God created all of creation, all the heavens, the earth, and all the worlds so He is the God, if there are other universes, of all universes.

    Psalm 148:1-5

    1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.

    2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

    3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.

    4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

    5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.

    Genesis 2:1-4

    1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

    2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens

  18. Add on to my last post, I don't see that the Bible actually teaches that there are other universes so I suppose this teaching comes from the additional information provided in the the teachings of the Mormon Church.

    It seems the Mormon Church, in practice at least, uses the Bible as the word of God but it is incomplete with the need for there to be additional information available in the various Mormon scriptures and the teachings of its leaders past and present.

    However the official doctrine of the Mormon Church is that the Bible is the word of God as far as it has been translated correctly. Which I see as saying that it is not reliable so use it with a certain degree of caution. But if it is not the completely reliable, then why use it at all?

    Josuha, it would make sense if your church's official doctrine was the way it seems Mormons use the Bible as it being incomplete with additional information needed.

    But the way I look at is that the Bible is in fact completely reliable and its information is all we need that has been translated accrurately that can be checked with the original languages for claification so the additional scriptures of the Mormon are not needed.

    On the other hand, we can't check the accuracy of the Book of Mormon as the plates Joseph Smith translated it from its original language are not available so how do we know it is accurate? There also is strong evidence that the Book of Abraham from the Mormon Pearl of Great Price, which can be checked with its original language, are not the writings of Abraham at all as Joseph Smith claimed but are in fact just some ancient Egyptian funeral text.

    So if some of the Mormon scriptures can't be checked for accuracy or are not translated accurately, then how can we believe any of the Mormon Church's teachings that are based on the additional information that is in any of them?

    So, again, I will trust the Bible over Mormon scriptures any day.

  19. Mormons don't believe the Bible is completely unreliable or anything like that, we just believe there are errors of translation in it. But we're not going to throw out the baby with the bathwater. If the Bible is 2% inaccurate, why throw out the valuable 98%? Likewise, I'm sure the Book of Mormon does have errors in it, but maybe it's still 99% correct. Again, we're not going to throw out the whole thing for the sake of a few clerical mistakes.

  20. Joshua, but even if the Bible is 99 percent correct or even just 98 percent correct, it still teaches something different, by itself, than what the Mormon Church teaches on important issues.

    But how about the Book of Abraham from the Pearl of Great Price one of the books from the Mormon scriptural canon? There is very strong evidence from scholars who are experts in ancient Egyptian who say that it is really is ancient funeral text and not the writings of Abraham like Joseph Smith claimed and if one Mormon scripture that can be checked doesn't just contain some errors but flat out actually doesn't say what Mormons claim it says, than how can we trust other Mormon scriptures such as the Book of Mormon that can't be checked?

    It begs the question that if part of the Mormon canon other than the Bible is not the word of God, then maybe none of it is and none of it is needed and the Bible is really all of the scripture we will ever need.

  21. Hello dear souls.

    It all comes down to a matter of faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. – Rom. 10:17. Faith without works (activity, effort, action) is dead. – James 2. Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for, the EVIDENCE of things not seen. – Hebrews 11:1.

    It is God alone who gives faith to the sinner to believe in Jesus Christ as God who manifested Himself in the flesh to be the Lamb of God who 'takes away' the sin of the world. see 1 Jn. 3:5; 1 Jn. 1:2; 1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 5:7.

    Paul says that God has appointed a day in which He will judge every person who has ever lived on the face of the earth by the Man Christ Jesus whom He raised from the dead. see Acts 17:31. (And forget this idea of other universes which you or I know nothing about. The secret things belong to God but what has been revealed belong to us – Deut. 29:29. It is foolish to speculate about such things we have know actual knowledge about yet make that a part of a doctrine which we have some kind of hope in. )

    Is the Book of Mormon the Word of God? Only the Word of God can produce the faith that God will be pleased with (Heb. 11:6). Are the other books the Mormon Church reveres and upholds as doctrinal additionals, produces of the faith that God is please with? Really?

    Typo errors or non intentional errors in the translation and publication of God's Word may be allowed. But flagrant deceiving words, lies, half truths and the like are an abomination unto the Lord God Almighty who is Holy. No liar or evern those who love such lies will ever have a place in Heaven – God's beautiful Home.

    Joshua and every one else who puts there trust in BoM – the words of prophet Smith and his successors, think carefully about what you are doing. It is only by the precious blood of Jesus Christ that you can be made acceptable in the sight of God. Jesus' blood is the only thing that will wash away your (yours and mine) many sins from before God.

    But, no one is allowed to add to God's words or take away from His words lest we be found to be liars.

    All the Books of the Bible can be checked against thousands of early manuscripts as to what is true. The BoM no one can examine. Truth can be examined thoroughly by all honest seekers. There is something seriously wrong with a book that claimes to be truly the word of God yet its 'original' language cannot be verified. That is blind faith. It is also foolish faith.

    Roman Catholics are told that they must not search the Scriptures (Holy Bible) for themselves independantly from its Popes. cardinals and Bishops, and priests whom they must rely on for understanding of same. Muslims likewise are not allowed to examine for themselves and compare the Holy Bible against the Koran, or to even examine the Koran for what it says itself about Isa al Masih (Jesus Christ) without strict supervision from their instructors. They must listen to the Islamic scholars for the truthful interpretation of 'God's word'. This is the same approach by all major religions.

    Nowhere in the Bible is it taught that an honest seeker for the truth MUST NOT search out the Scriptures for themselves ON THEIR OWN. Even Tyndale said in his day that a ploughboy will know the Scriptures better than the Pope (- without the help of someone looking over their shoulder except that someone be Jesus Christ his Shepherd).

    On the contrary, such individual action is encouraged. For God knows and promises that such seekers for the truth will find it when they search with all of their heart.

    Does the BoM compliment the Holy Bible? You judge for yourselves. As for me and my house the Holy Bible needs no other book, has no other equal, tolerates no other doctrine, has no other god, condemns all prophets and teachers and apostles that do not meet its strict yet life giving requirements.

    dear friends, make sure that you really know Jesus intimately (not just about Him) and that He knows you, while you can. You only have today. Tomorrow may be too late.

  22. Joshua you wrote:

    "Everyone is required to worship the god who has given them life. That is my understanding. There is no conflict between this belief and the Bible." This is very suggestive.

    There is only one God – Yahweh – God Almighty who has created anything anywhere out of nothing.

    Have you never read what John wrote – In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. (Jn. 1:1-3) Anything that exists or anyone or creature, whether spirit or body, that does exist, exists because the Word who became flesh called Jesus brought it into existence. (see also Colossians 1:12-17; and many others – it is all there crying out to be read and believed not acording to man's natural mind but according to the Spirit of truth and that by faith.)

    Hear O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah (Deut 6:4).

    "…that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before me there was no God formed, nor shall any be after Me. I, I am Jehovah, and there is no Saviour besides Me." (Isa. 43:10, 11)

    "So says Jehovah, the King od Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts, I am the Firts, and I am the Last, and there is no God escept Me." (Isa. 44:6)

    There is only one God – Yahweh ( commonly – Jehovah or LORD), who has made anything or anyone. There are no other 'gods' who have made other spirits of men, or creature.

    "And they" (Moses and Aaron) "fell on their faces , and said, O God, God of the spirits of all flesh…" (Num. 16:22) ALL FLESH!

    "And Moses spoke to Jehovah, saying, Let the God of the spirits of all flesh…" (Num. 27:16) ALL FLESH!

    "All the ways of a man are pure in his OWN eyes; but Jehovah weighs the spirits." Pro. 16:2)

    How can it be that Jehovah God can weigh the spirits? Because He made or produced or begat, gave life to every spirit of creature or man.

    You say that the 'god' who gave life is the one that one should worship. Yahweh gave life, for He alone has life in Himself. Jesus said I am the Way, the Truth and the Life – LIFE! Jesus is LIFE and He gives the only life that anything or anyone can ever have.

    Worship Yahweh, Jehovah, the Lord – LORD, Jesus Christ who is the I AM. Thomas worshipped Jesus after His resurrection and Jesus accepted it. Worship the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. No one else is allowed to be worshipped.

    "But to us is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we to Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we by Him." (1 Cor. 8:6)

    "One God and Father of all…" (Ephesians 4:6)

    There are no other spirits made by other gods. There are no other 'gods'. No other 'being' gave life but the Everlasting God who has plainly revealed Himself in the Scriptures – Holy Bible.

    You must, as we all must acknowledge that the God of the Holy Bible alone by Himself made all spirits, whether of angels true or fallen, or of men, or if there be of any other creature. Worship God alone, man. He alone is worthy.

    Do not lead others astray by suggesting that 'perhaps if there are and who are we to say that there were not, so there most probably was other gods who were made gods and that they gave life to other spirits' – or words like this. God will hold you – all of us, accountable for every vain and idle word.

    Lord, open Joshua's eyes, I ask in Jesus name.

  23. Ian, well said, but the crux of the whole matter is that if there are no other gods except for God Almighty who created everything there is and ever will be, and no one else besides God can create anything, then that would mean Mormons can't ever become gods and they would have to let go of that belief altogether.

    We often hear Mormons speak of obediance but I believe that by not accepting the fact that there is only one God and it is not is not any of us, that is being disobedient to God.

  24. Let me tell a most instructive story from the Bible. When Jesus lived on earth, there were many many people who were diseased, afflicted, demonized, maimed. It seemed like every other person was 'sick' with something or other. Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil (1 Jn. 3:8; Acts 10:38)

    One day our Lord Jesus was passing through Jericho. There was a blind fellow on the side of the road begging. Having heard Jesus of Nazareth was passing by, he started to yell out above all the noise of the crowd – 'Son of David, Jesus, have pity on me!'

    He was obviously making himself heard because many people told him to shut up – most likely they couldn't hear what Jesus was saying. But he yelled even louder, 'SON OF DAVID, PITY ME!'

    Jesus stopped moving, and called for him to be brought. Some folk went to him and to him to get up – 'Be comforted, rise up, He calls you.'

    The man threw away his beggars coat, rose up and came to Jesus. Jesus asked him'What do you desire that I should do to you. And the blind man said – My Lord, that I may see again.

    Jesus said to him, 'Go, your faith has healed you.' And instantly he saw again, and followed Jesus in the way. see Mark 10 46-)

    Jesus rewarded this man's faith with the very thing that he desired more than anything else on earth. He wanted to see, and he did not rest until he got it. And who did he get his sight from? Jesus Christ – Son of God, the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth.

    Bartimaeus recognised something that most people in this world have no understanding of. As soon as he heard that Jesus was nearby, he began to yell to Jesus out of desperation, becasue he knew either before or, on that day that if Jesus heard him, then he would get the thhing he desired. (see Hebrews 11;6)

    But Bartimaeus got more than physical sight. He threw away his begging garment. Why? He knew that from now on he was not going to beg from others, because Jesus would feed him with Bread from Heaven.

    Listen SDA folk. Learn from Bartimaeus. He was blind. He knew it. He was a beggar. He knew it. He also knew he couldn't change anything. Ahh… But then Jesus came along. You can't change anything. What you don't know, you just don't know, and you will never know. Unless you know that if Jesus is nearby, NOT THE CHURCH – BUT JESUS. Bartimaeus didn't go to the disciples for help. They weren';t always helpful to people during those early years. He went straight to God who was manifested in the flesh – Jesus of Nazareth. He couldn't see to go to Him so he cried out with his voice. Jesus wants you to call out to Him.

    Bartimaeus, by calling Jesus, Son of David – he was acknowledging Jesus' Messiahship and kingship, and he also called him Lord – meaning Jehovah.

    You must recognize as we all must that without Jesus we can't see anything spiritually. We must be dependent upon Him alone. We must call out to Him for eyes to see spiritual things. And not give up until He Himself answers us- one to one. We must be ready to cast away our old beggarly garments of understanding – to cast away anything unworthy to be presented before the King of kings and Lord of Lords – Jesus Christ. If we do this – just as Bartimaeus did in simple child like faith, then God in Jesus will reward us. And do you think that Jesus alone can't satisfy? You don't know Jesus. But I pray that you will learn from Bartimaeus' example just as I have had to do, and am still learning. Jesus is all you will ever need my friends. Oh the peace He gives, the joy, the love, the hope. Run to Him today…

    Jesus is passing near to you today dear souls

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